Friday, December 8, 2017

Of Course Roy Moore Defends Slavery and Segregation

Roy Moore may or may not be a new name to you, but I have known of him for literally decades. You see, he is practically worshiped in the ultraconservative homeschool circles I grew up in. It is no mystery why.

In my very first religious/political post a number of years ago, I discussed the roots of the Reconstructionist Movement in White Supremacy. It’s a long post, but there is a lot of information in it. Essentially, Christian homeschooling has followed one of two paths. One is the Raymond and Dorothy Moore (no relation to Roy, from what I can tell) path of providing individualized education. This is how and why my own family ended up homeschooling, and I think it is a positive. The other is the Rousas Rushdoony path: Reconstructionism, Culture Wars, and Theocracy.

Roy Moore is a Reconstructionist. Pure and simple. That is important to know.


Roy Moore has been in the news lately because the various women who he flirted with/dated/groped against their will when they were in their teens (and he was in their 30s) are coming forward and blowing his cover.

That Moore did this really isn’t a surprise to those of us who grew up in that subculture. I mean, many of the leaders from Bill Gothard to Doug Phillips (a very close friend of Moore, by the way…) have gotten busted for getting sexual with the young girls. And also, as we know, the subculture itself kind of pushes the young girl, older man dynamic for sexist reasons. See also fellow Gothardism survivor Katherine Brightbill’s LA Times article - and note Matthew and Maranatha Chapman, who were idolized in my wife’s fundie home church…) It is disappointing, but not exactly surprising that Evangelicals will defend this guy. It didn’t stop them from voting for another pussy grabber, after all. I think in particular, white baby boomer Evangelicals are impossibly clueless as to the damage their support of people like Moore has done to the reputation of the Christian faith here in America. But hey, they got their tax cut, right?

But I wanted to discuss a couple of other things about Moore.


Moore came to his hero status because of the Ten Commandments war, of which more later. It was his willingness to defy the law (and the Constitution) to further his view of America as a theocracy that made him popular in Fundamentalist circles.

But I think there was more to it than that. I linked my post above because there is a strong and clear connection between the Culture Wars™ and White Supremacy that continues today.

And Roy Moore is Exhibit A.

Let’s start with Segregation. Alabama, obviously, has a long and sordid history when it comes to this issue. (It also was the site of some of the Civil Rights Movement’s greatest triumphs. The two are definitely related…)

Roy Moore has gone on the record several times in support of Segregation.

The Guardian in 2004 noted that Moore was one of the opponents to a ballot initiative to remove (unconstitutional) language in the state constitution providing for segregated schools.

In an address to a religious conference a few years back, he went on a familiar screed about how God has (allegedly) been removed from government. It’s a familiar bit of red meat to Fundies, of course. But it is what came next that is interesting. He went right from “kicked prayer out of schools” to...wait for it… “created new rights in 1965.”

Anyone familiar with a famous law from that year? How about the Civil Rights Act of 1965. The one that ended Jim Crow and Segregation. You can find it on video starting at about the 11:00 mark.

That’s all bad enough, right? It gets worse.

Last month, on the Scott Beason show, Moore said that “Alabama always stands up for its rights” including “the Civil War conflict.” And yes, there is video.

And also recently, in a rally in Florence, Moore was asked by one of the few African Americans in the audience when he thought America was great. Here is his response:

“I think it was great at the time when families were united — even though we had slavery — they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction.”

Isn’t that interesting. He could just have left the slavery bit out of it. But he didn’t. I think it was intentional, and the middle finger of friendship directed at the African American who asked the question. The answer to “when was America great?” is - to many from Trump on down - “when n----rs knew their place.”

And one more: Moore has made a centerpiece of his campaign against his opponent the fact that Doug Jones has supported the right of NFL players to kneel during the national anthem to protest police brutality.

If the law in question were to be taken to compel a certain kind of patriotic act, it is unquestionably unconstitutional. (No one has ever tried to enforce the law in that way - it is widely considered to be a suggestion, not a binding law.)

It isn’t too hard to see what is going on here. “Ungrateful athletes” is the new version of “uppity nigger” used against African American performers who dared to protest against injustice or assert their civil rights.

Moore isn’t even bothering to use a dog whistle. He is openly stating his racism and his belief that America was greater when we enslaved brown people.

Forget the sexual predation (which is bad, don’t get me wrong). The racism should disqualify Roy Moore by itself.

Unfortunately, as I have come to understand in the last couple of years, support for slavery and segregation not only does not disqualify a candidate with white Evangelicals. It is considered by many of them to be a point in the candidate’s favor.

These beliefs are also endemic to the Reconstructionist/Dominionist belief system. See for example Doug Wilson, slavery defender and pedophile protector. And the hate groups that masquerade as “family values.” 


Just a bit on the Ten Commandments and Same Sex Marriage issues.

The essential problem in both cases is that Roy Moore does not believe that the law is binding on him. If he disagrees with it, too bad. He wins and can do what he wants.

This is why he has been removed from office not once, but twice, by the Judicial ethics board in a very conservative state.

In the first case, he expended public money and space on a gigantic Ten Commandments monument. There was no higher cause here, just a desire to make a statement. A statement that we are a Christian Nation™, dammit, and we need to constantly remind everyone of that. (Particularly those damn Muslims…) Basically, an ego trip for Moore, a phenomenal waste of time and money, with no benefit to anyone.

The second was also a ridiculous ego trip with no benefit to anyone. After the US Supreme Court legalized same sex marriage, Moore took it on himself to defy the ruling.

Mind you, it wasn’t that he would himself refuse to perform weddings. No, he went so far as to order ALL state officials to refuse to follow the federal law. They were literally told that they must defy a federal order or lose their jobs. Even by the standards of Alabama conservatism, this was well over the top. And so he was again removed from the bench.

It’s not really a mystery why he has done both of these things. Both go back to his Reconstructionist beliefs, which is that [the fundamentalist interpretation] of the Bible should be the law of the land. (Ironically, he also rails against the imaginary threat of Sharia Law…) Thus, it doesn’t matter what the actual laws in our nation are. He knows better. And he should be allowed to enforce his own preferences over the actual laws of our nation.

Don’t get me wrong. I believe there is a time and a place for civil disobedience. Rosa Parks comes to mind, as do the thousands of brave men and women who worked on the Underground Railroad. I can even understand abortion protesters (although I think they are on the wrong track for a number of reasons.) If you are trying to help the oppressed, have at it. That is a legitimate reason to disobey a law - in the interest of true justice to those denied it.

But to do so for an ego trip over a monument? Seriously?

Or to assert your control over all the clerks in your state? It really is just a power and ego trip, which is absolutely what Roy Moore is and has always been about.

And that, as much as anything, is why he is utterly unqualified for office.


I was a Republican until 2013, when I realized that the values of the party had changed radically, to the point where they were willing to shut down the government in order to try to force the repeal of the Affordable Care Act. (Because clearly cutting people off from health care was the most pressing concern for our nation…)

I am not the only one - in general, younger people are fleeing the GOP (except for the Alt-Right sorts.) Here is an interesting article by Kurt Bardella, former aide to Darrell Issa and Brietbart staffer. Let’s just say that when you are losing conservatives like this, you have a big problem.


Just to be clear, I have every reason to believe that Roy Moore will be elected. Sadly, in our current political climate, the only thing that matters is whether you have an (R) or a (D) after your name. You can prey on women - or children. You can defend slavery and segregation, slander immigrants and Muslims, take away healthcare from the disabled and impoverished...doesn’t matter one bit.

And it particularly doesn’t matter to white Evangelicals. And I think that the racism and social darwinism are actually a major attraction, whether they will admit this to themselves or not.

This is and remains the part of the story that I believe is most important: the moral suicide of Evangelicalism. 


UPDATE December 12, 2017: Apparently I missed the time in 2011 that Moore went on a wingnut radio talk show, and said that getting rid of Constitutional Amendments after #10 would "eliminate many problems." I assume he means ones like these:

13th Amendment: abolished slavery. 
14th Amendment: among other things, allowed non-whites to become citizens, gave equal protection of the laws to non-whites, and applied the Bill of Rights protections to State governments. 
15th Amendment: gave non-whites the right to vote. 
19th Amendment: gave women the right to vote.
24th Amendment: eliminated poll taxes. 



  1. Unlike you, I am a lifelong Democrat, Jewish, and atheist.

    So with all that in mind, here's something for you to chew on: I last posted that power is the point of evangelical religion now. And here's the corollary: Evangelicals don't give a crap about the "Great Commission" anymore. Whatever they may say, they're actions reveal that they really don't believe in the power of persuasion. Only coercion will get them what they want, and so they are banking on grabbing onto the power to coerce while they still can. Its all they got, because as a baby killing, worse than child molester Democrat a monster like me won't respond to "reason," only force.

    That's what the "Great Commission" for evangelicals has boiled down to: A club held over the head of others.

    1. I have to agree with you on that. Unfortunately, it has also become clear that white nationalism is much more of a core doctrine to American Evangelicalism than Love Your Neighbor.

  2. Thrilled to say he lost. Also very surprised. The more I saw of that race, the more sickened I became as so many people jumped through hoops to defend his actions. He only hit on young girls because when he came back from war all the women his age were married. He only hit on young girls because that's natural for men to like the innocence of youth. They probably flirted with him so... Some of them are liberals so they clearly made this up. He doesn't defend slavery, he just knows that the country was better then, not because of slavery, I mean, there was slavery then but... He's being persecuted for his beliefs and being a Bible-believing Christian. He's just one face of the War on Christians.

    And the equally-exhausting flip side-- the people who didn't minimize what he did and said, even criticized it, while painting Jones as the more evil option because he supports reproductive rights, he wants to kill babies. He supports same sex marriage so he'll force people to act against their sincerely help beliefs and make them get gay married. He advocates for the separation of church and state so public school kids won't be able to join the Fellowship of Christian Athletes or bring their Bibles to school. Moore might be bad, but at least he defends the pre-born, believes in God and His presence in our publicly funded spaces, and will protect Christians who want to deny other people civil rights.

    I've always been a leftie, but since the 2000 election, I've grown ever wearier of the dramatics from some Conservatives. It seems like some on the Right go to an extreme "they're gonna do (....) if they win!!" scenario. If Gore had won, I heard people saying he'd place limits on how much people could drive or make them use public transportation or bikes because of his interest in the environment and belief in non-existent climate change. Kerrey was going to come and take everyone's guns. Obama win, round one-- he would institute Sharia ('cause he's Muslim, natch) and make public schools teach Islam. Obama, round 2-- more of the same and death committees. Hillary-- She's gonna throw us into a Commie state!

    And then the outright denial and obfuscation of legitimate issues, especially last year, that many people had/have when people with bigoted ideas/ are bigots are elected. It goes back to the comment I made on another post. that to be taken seriously, to have space for anger, to have your concerns legitimated, someone needs to have more privilege in their backpack. White. male. Christian. Heterosexual. Cisgendered. Born in the US. The fewer things a person has, the more they deviate from the Mythic Norm, the less access they have to express their anger, their concerns, and opportunities to have political efficacy.

    1. For me, the light really started to come on in 2008, when James Dobson listed a horror parade of what would happen if Obama was elected. And it looked like an aburdist fantasy more than anything. And pretty much none of it came to pass - except for the end of "don't ask, don't tell," and that turned out to be such a non-event when it happened. Turns out people in foxholes really don't spend their time obsessing about the sexual orientation of the man or woman next to them. Military cohesion appears to be much bigger than what makes someone horny. Who knew?

      As usual, great comment. And yes, I am shocked Moore didn't win. And appalled that I was right again about the utter moral bankruptcy of White Evangelicals. Particularly those over age 50.

  3. As an Alabamian, I did everything I could to keep Moore from being elected. I will continue to do so because he's unfit for office and has been for a long time. In the 15 years I've been eligible to vote in this state, I am proud to say I have not once voted for Roy Moore.

    Politics in Alabama are out of control. <-- Here's a an article about GOP politics in AL and why a single party in majority for decades is a bad thing. Democrats and Independents in AL have decided to wake up post-Trump and actually start RUNNING for things.