tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post9049567607923963652..comments2024-03-25T09:01:20.997-07:00Comments on Diary of an Autodidact: Christ and the Church: Misusing a MetaphorDiary of an Autodidacthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-60231660350586197812018-05-27T14:30:37.523-07:002018-05-27T14:30:37.523-07:00Biblical Gender roles is a troll. He's admitte...Biblical Gender roles is a troll. He's admitted he's an atheist.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17090769599883369932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-33772025224353709302018-01-23T11:39:12.686-08:002018-01-23T11:39:12.686-08:00It's hard to strike a balance here in what I a...It's hard to strike a balance here in what I am trying to say. I decided to use the language of Evangelicals to make a point about THEIR doctrinal approach, not dismiss the Jewish one. Since from THEIR point of view, the Jews got it wrong (and yes, there is plenty of antisemitism there), maybe THEY shouldn't be so damn sure that THEY are getting it absolutely correct this time. That's what I am trying to say. Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-60960855078731323402018-01-19T08:35:49.140-08:002018-01-19T08:35:49.140-08:00Regarding Jews: let’s first take note that there w...Regarding Jews: let’s first take note that there were many different traditions among Jews when Yeshua showed up. Second, the vast majority of Yeshua’s first followers were Jews. To say “the Jews got it wrong” is both dismissive, incorrect & egregiously over-simplified which is right in line with Christian antisemitism, so perhaps a rethink of the cultural assumptions you, as a gentile follower of Yeshua, bring to the table would benefit you. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06482424932595372729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-79226857759107055842018-01-16T11:01:32.332-08:002018-01-16T11:01:32.332-08:00First of all, welcome! You make some good points, ...First of all, welcome! You make some good points, so maybe I can clarify where I was unclear:<br /><br />From the point of view of a Christian - and even more so, an Evangelical Christian, the Jews got the idea of the Messiah all wrong. So my point here was aimed at those who are so sure they have the Marriage thing figured out that maybe they, um, should be careful about that. <br /><br />As to your point about the nature of the messiah, I think it is a good one. If all one did was read the messianic passages in the OT, you could absolutely come to the conclusion of a political, conquering savior. To be clear: I do not want to imply at ALL that the Jewish view is stupid, ill informed, or anything like that at all. Just that from the Christian perspective, they were (and are) incorrect. <br /><br />I'll go one further here as well, because I think it is an important point that Christians fail to acknowledge (as you point out.) The very idea of Christ being the Messiah is shocking and outrageous. It does indeed seem to not fit at all. That is why Christ was so revolutionary - he turned the idea of a Messiah on its head, suffering rather than conquering, and preaching an upside-down kingdom that rejects power in favor of servanthood. Even from the Christian point of view, this was all a huge shock, an huge surprise, and the most unexpected twist ever. <br /><br />So my point here is definitely not to denigrate Jewish thought at all. (In fact, I have learned a lot over the last several years about hermeneutics as a result of exploring the history of Jewish interpretation of the OT.) My point is that Christians need to recognize that their whole religion is based on a radical, unexpected interpretation. And therefore, hanging an entire doctrinal structure of sex, gender, and sexuality on a single metaphor is beyond risky. <br /><br />Again, thanks for stopping by and commenting. I always appreciate those with thoughtful and insightful comments like yours. Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-80647284267630290282018-01-14T09:20:07.614-08:002018-01-14T09:20:07.614-08:00While I agree with most of this post, I feel compe...While I agree with most of this post, I feel compelled to address your paragraph about Jew's "screwed up" view of the messiah. <br /><br />While some of religious Jew's beliefs about what would qualify someone for messiah could be accused of parochialism, like the restoration of the Temple, much of the standard boils down to this: the Savior would well, save people. They'd heal the world. No more prosecution, no more murder, no more want or hunger. <br /><br />Based on this, Jesus obviously doesn't qualify. None of those things have changed, certainly not to the point of elimination. <br /><br />I'd hardly argue such a belief is "screwed up." Now, as an atheist, I don't believe anyone could qualify, or that such a situation will ever come to pass. But if I had to chose between a messiah who would end all unjust pain and want, vs. one who will invisibly change me in such a way I and everyone continue to do terrible things unabated but will be rewarded with pie in the sky after, I know which I'd go for. <br /><br />I'm not asking to author to change his religious beliefs at all. But please do give Jews the credit of beliefs about a messiah which at minimum make just as much sense as his. MrRoivashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12018731012247569416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-91246496392513934572018-01-11T11:57:31.140-08:002018-01-11T11:57:31.140-08:00That's been a staple of the Prosperity Gospel ...That's been a staple of the Prosperity Gospel for decades...Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-75915755922775072018-01-11T01:37:50.135-08:002018-01-11T01:37:50.135-08:00Speaking of massively misusing metaphors to make t...Speaking of massively misusing metaphors to make things mean whatever you want, I figured I'd bring this stupidity to your attention.<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/paula-white-first-fruits_us_5a544603e4b01e1a4b18d2f0<br /><br />When did "first fruits" become "donate money to me before you pay any bills, because I'm God's representative!"Dark Phoenix (Nixa)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11557085553371905683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-79688667519024383392018-01-10T10:26:39.219-08:002018-01-10T10:26:39.219-08:00I think I may have seen one of his posts. Some rea...I think I may have seen one of his posts. Some really crazy stuff out there these days. Sadly, it is far more "mainstream" than it was when I was a kid, and Evangelicals still embraced women who worked outside the home. <br /><br />I wish I could capture in a picture the look my wife gives me when I joke she doesn't seem to think I am godlike. ;)Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-32820368392078501802018-01-10T07:06:55.224-08:002018-01-10T07:06:55.224-08:00Wow Fiddlrts! This is a great article; there is a ...Wow Fiddlrts! This is a great article; there is a LOT of good stuff here!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-36585862743260850212018-01-09T20:36:25.668-08:002018-01-09T20:36:25.668-08:00If you want to see an extreme picture of Patriarch...If you want to see an extreme picture of Patriarchalism, read the Titus 2 blog by Steve and Teri Maxwell. He's transformed himself into the highest G-dhead below Christ. His family does not socialize with other families as families need to be isolated so their focus is only on G-d. It's sad how he has brainwashed his adult daughters into submission. He had his vasectomy reversed and he and his wife who had/has major depressive disorder had 5 more children, which she didn't want, couldn't teach properly and is just as stunted as they are.<br />They attended a church when the children were little and then Steve decided that the parishioners were not Godly enough and didn't worship God as he did.<br />NB:<br />I am a cradle Lutheran (ELCA) who's liberal and embraces diversity and equality. amulbunny's random thoughtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10621932038345682056noreply@blogger.com