tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post2195277040264096697..comments2024-03-25T09:01:20.997-07:00Comments on Diary of an Autodidact: If You Support Anti-LGBTQ "Religious Freedom" Laws, You Aren't Really Different from Omar MateenDiary of an Autodidacthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-80924878486110311312016-06-21T10:06:26.765-07:002016-06-21T10:06:26.765-07:00I have become more and more convinced in the last ...I have become more and more convinced in the last few years that most (not all) Evangelicals have no interest in actually following the teachings of Christ. Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-35627839494225610062016-06-21T10:05:34.887-07:002016-06-21T10:05:34.887-07:00I have been considering writing about the misappli...I have been considering writing about the misapplication of the 4th Commandment. I very much agree with you, that OMG was never what the commandment meant, and not what it means now. It is appropriating the name of God for evil purposes. <br /><br />I too have come to the conclusion that there is a lot of rotten fruit, and that we need to start asking about the tree that bears it. Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-38883626378837507762016-06-21T09:08:30.213-07:002016-06-21T09:08:30.213-07:00Wow, just....wow.
I've not been in the anti-...Wow, just....wow. <br /><br />I've not been in the anti-LGBTQ camp for some time - my own epiphany happening gradually via reading personal accounts from people who didn't fit the traditional "it's all because of Daddy issues" profile that was, at that point, the favored explanation for what caused anything other than hetero-normative sexuality. Along with applying "by their fruits you shall know them" to the ongoing scourge of horrible consequences of making homosexuality the whipping boy for all the woes and travails of "godless" America (the homelessness, bullying, suicide, etc you mention). <br /><br />But I hadn't looked at the legislation closely enough to see what you elucidate here. It all rubbed me the wrong way, but I didn't bother to consider why. Which shames me, but thank you. <br /><br />To jochanaan's point above, I often think the commandment about misusing the name of the Lord doesn't actually mean what most people think it means. How many folks legalistically, carefully make sure not to type out OMG in capital letters while yet supporting hatred in the name of God. We have so much to answer for. :(Sunrisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11414752378032566870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-38325325112489917732016-06-21T08:17:37.312-07:002016-06-21T08:17:37.312-07:00And if they claim Jesus' Name for their bigotr...And if they claim Jesus' Name for their bigotry and hatred, they had better look at His life and doctrine before doing so. "Love your enemies... Let him that is without sin... Father, forgive them..."jochanaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14143066702059757955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-86092944592765615952016-06-20T12:09:56.965-07:002016-06-20T12:09:56.965-07:00That's an interesting fight, isn't it? I c...That's an interesting fight, isn't it? I could definitely see party loyalty winning out in that case. But I also have been mortified to see how many, from Metaxas to many of my Christian friends have been willing to jettison their supposedly cherished political beliefs for the first demagogue to appeal to their racism...Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-37675939744176492092016-06-20T12:03:17.573-07:002016-06-20T12:03:17.573-07:00…and when there have been actual studies demonstra...…and when there have been actual studies demonstrating that political bias is, on average, actually STRONGER than racial bias, and more people would have a problem with their child marrying someone of the opposite party than of another race.<br /><br />This is why I want to know how my grandfather is going to vote this year. He claims to be liberal, and he hates Republicans, but he also hates Mexicans. I'm curious which of his bigotries is going to win out. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-62780094376884418522016-06-20T10:23:29.079-07:002016-06-20T10:23:29.079-07:00Good points. Good points. Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-47431957271346149842016-06-20T09:49:54.137-07:002016-06-20T09:49:54.137-07:00"That won't happen, no one would be that ..."That won't happen, no one would be that dumb." Yah, because "It would be smart for you to join the Nazi party if you'd like to keep your shop open" was just made up for the movies. Oh, and "We don't want any manuscripts written by bluestockings" was pretend, too. And also "we refuse to work with script writers who are Reds"--that was also imaginary. /sarcasm Gah. It's not even ANCIENT history.Breanna Teintzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06857684157682898312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-29164158535779921242016-06-20T09:46:40.135-07:002016-06-20T09:46:40.135-07:00I should note that my dad, who is a pastor, encour...I should note that my dad, who is a pastor, encourages his church folks to take water bottles, sandwiches, and donuts to hand out at Pride every year to demonstrate care. But like you pointed out, my dad also doesn't preach "hate the sin".Breanna Teintzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06857684157682898312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-21505928139938593632016-06-20T09:21:34.759-07:002016-06-20T09:21:34.759-07:00"what love do they show to those "sinner..."what love do they show to those "sinners"? Show me one example."<br /><br />While out running today, I did think of ONE example: When I was in high school, there was a guy at our church, who, as his ministry, ran a hospice for dying AIDS patients. And he was clear that he believed his mission was to show love and compassion without judgment or moralizing. <br /><br />Yep. One example. In my entire 39 years. And I note that he preached "love," not "hate the sin." Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-67528363146480655592016-06-20T09:19:23.976-07:002016-06-20T09:19:23.976-07:00Fortunately, you do show up as Scarlet. :)
You a...Fortunately, you do show up as Scarlet. :) <br /><br />You are right that the only defense is "That won't happen." Except that when it came to race, it did - and it often still does. And last I checked, non-whites are a larger portion of the population than LGBTQ people, so the latter would be at even greater risk...<br /><br />Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-40166717919125265242016-06-20T08:51:54.159-07:002016-06-20T08:51:54.159-07:00I've seen the "slippery slope" idea ...I've seen the "slippery slope" idea in this debate go far beyond even "If I can refuse a lesbian a job/medical care/housing because of my religion, why not a black person/woman/Muslim/etc.?" I once saw a conservative on Twitter slip down the slope without even realizing it. While talking about wedding cake bakers and gay weddings, he asked a liberal if he would be okay with a feminist printer refusing to print pamphlets advertising a Catholic anti-contraception conference. (The liberal said no.) Except by doing this, he kinda subtly shifted the discussion away from the actual topic (religious freedom) because, despite the insistence of Kevin Swanson & Co., feminism is not a religion. Feminism can be derived from religion, but most often it's viewed as a political stance. Which raises the logical question: why limit this to religion? Can we now refuse service to someone based on their politics? Can a Republican landlord now refuse to rent to Democrats?<br /><br />The only defense I've seen against this is "That won't happen, no one would be that dumb." Really? Because I've met political partisans who are FAR more fundamentalist about their politics than many fundamentalist Christians are about their religion.<br /><br />By the way, in case comes up wrong, this is Scarlet. Blogger keeps wanting me to be anonymous today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-16878663873676780592016-06-20T08:33:31.429-07:002016-06-20T08:33:31.429-07:00Breanna: I was also pretty disgusted when the rig...Breanna: I was also pretty disgusted when the right suddenly cared SO MUCH about rape victims when the bathroom issue blew up, for exactly the reason stated. In any other situation they would be grasping at any straw possible to make it the victim's fault, maybe even to the point of denying that marital rape is a real thing. It doesn't mean anything to say you care about rape victims, unless you ACTUALLY CARE the rest of the time when they don't suit your immediate political purpose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-29703028982429984922016-06-20T07:59:07.967-07:002016-06-20T07:59:07.967-07:00Oh and I think Dr Dobson is a disgusting creature ...Oh and I think Dr Dobson is a disgusting creature as well as Ted Cruz. Yet I want them and those like them (religious right bigots) to have all the rights I want everyone to have. People in that category challenge my use of love more than any other group.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16767485597199530481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-29463707834409130922016-06-20T07:56:37.409-07:002016-06-20T07:56:37.409-07:00Everything she said 👆. We are all Gods children. ...Everything she said 👆. We are all Gods children. Every single one of us. There's not a single being on this Earth that God didn't create. So that makes us spiritual siblings. I would never harm a fellow child of God so I guess I won't be harming anyone. I think Jesus is love in its human form and that he commanded us to love. I'm going to keep pumping along on the love train. I believe people are born the way they are and God doesn't make mistakes. That's pretty simple and it keeps my heart as hate free as I can. Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16767485597199530481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4051826042602269061.post-10749281009953976552016-06-20T07:43:42.696-07:002016-06-20T07:43:42.696-07:00As usual, outstanding comment. As you know, my wif...As usual, outstanding comment. As you know, my wife is a nurse, and she has indeed had the same issues you mention in her practice. We attorneys too must often represent people we may not like personally for any number of reasons. <br /><br />I hope to do a series on the transgender issue soon. I have it about 2/3 written. <br /><br />Agree that Kevin S. and his ilk are like Robespierre - and I include James Dobson in that category. I think, however, that they *sell* fear - because fear of sex sells better than anything else. The average person is probably acting more out of fear than not, just in my experience. And that includes, as you aptly note, fear by men that they might be objectified/raped as is they were a woman, fear that gender roles might be blurred, fear that all LGBTQ people are rapists (yes, Dobson, you will be held accountable for that lie some day), fear that their kids will be contaminated with the gay gene and thus burn in hell...Diary of an Autodidacthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849157548643091986noreply@blogger.com